Alarm discussion split from other thread

[1G_TaLon]

2 way paging aside any alarm is only as good as the installer. period. The only issue that could cause a real issue would be the shock sensor. Other than that the brain is just relays, transistors, and thermo switchs.
My buddy did a quicky install on his civic si and it got stolen from in front of his house. It was a clifford G5. I installed a avital 2100 in my crx and it took my 5 hours. I left my car in a parking garage down town for a week while I was out of town. My colum was broken, ignition was broken, under dash gone, ignition wiring pulled out of the loom, battery gone, and the intereor in a tottal mess. My alarm brain was under the carpet under the passanger seat and all the wiring to it was ran in black, taped up, loomed, and zipped tied to look stock. My car was still there and his was not . His alarm was a top of the line DEI alarm, and mine was a bottom of the line DEI alarm. It can be agued that the thieves tried harder on his car. Maybe. But I think that if you paid $1 for an install well you got what you paid for. If you installed it yourself and took your time you shuld be in good shape .

[DROOPY209]

2 way paging aside any alarm is only as good as the installer. period. The only issue that could cause a real issue would be the shock sensor. Other than that the brain is just relays, transistors, and thermo switchs.
My buddy did a quicky install on his civic si and it got stolen from in front of his house. It was a clifford G5. I installed a avital 2100 in my crx and it took my 5 hours. I left my car in a parking garage down town for a week while I was out of town. My colum was broken, ignition was broken, under dash gone, ignition wiring pulled out of the loom, battery gone, and the intereor in a tottal mess. My alarm brain was under the carpet under the passanger seat and all the wiring to it was ran in black, taped up, loomed, and zipped tied to look stock. My car was still there and his was not . His alarm was a top of the line DEI alarm, and mine was a bottom of the line DEI alarm. It can be agued that the thieves tried harder on his car. Maybe. But I think that if you paid $1 for an install well you got what you paid for. If you installed it yourself and took your time you shuld be in good shape .

Have you seen the internals of the Scytek alarms? They are complete crap. The diodes are cheap, the transistors are crap, and the relays seem to get stuck open or closed on their own. Haven't had any issues with the shock sensors. Sometimes even the parking light polarity pins wont do a damn thing, you set it for (+) polarity and it still throws a (-) polarity. The circuit board is CRAMPED up. The 2 way paging remotes are crap.

DEI's flagship line is the Viper models. Parts will interchange with the Clifford, but you have to push a lot of DEI stuff before you can become an Viper Authorized Dealer.

Any installer that puts the brain in an easy to reach area under the dash with the wires showing is flat out retarded. I make it extremelly hard for a thieve to steal a car that I install an alarm. Knock on wood, no theive has ever tampered with cars that have my alarm and install.

Those theives might not have tried very hard to steal your car....all they needed was a flathead screw driver, yank or cut the siren leads, touch the (+) siren lead to ground and fry the alarm, and unplug the starter-kill relay, or push start it......2 minutes tops.

I used to install alarms that customers would bring to me, but I'm calling it quits on installing customer's own alarms.
Somebody already made money selling them the alarm....and I can't give them warranty on a product I didn't sell them.

[1G_TaLon]

2 way paging aside any alarm is only as good as the installer. period. The only issue that could cause a real issue would be the shock sensor. Other than that the brain is just relays, transistors, and thermo switchs.
My buddy did a quicky install on his civic si and it got stolen from in front of his house. It was a clifford G5. I installed a avital 2100 in my crx and it took my 5 hours. I left my car in a parking garage down town for a week while I was out of town. My colum was broken, ignition was broken, under dash gone, ignition wiring pulled out of the loom, battery gone, and the intereor in a tottal mess. My alarm brain was under the carpet under the passanger seat and all the wiring to it was ran in black, taped up, loomed, and zipped tied to look stock. My car was still there and his was not . His alarm was a top of the line DEI alarm, and mine was a bottom of the line DEI alarm. It can be agued that the thieves tried harder on his car. Maybe. But I think that if you paid $1 for an install well you got what you paid for. If you installed it yourself and took your time you shuld be in good shape .

Have you seen the internals of the Scytek alarms? They are complete crap. The diodes are cheap, the transistors are crap, and the relays seem to get stuck open or closed on their own. Haven't had any issues with the shock sensors. Sometimes even the parking light polarity pins wont do a damn thing, you set it for (+) polarity and it still throws a (-) polarity. The circuit board is CRAMPED up. The 2 way paging remotes are crap.

DEI's flagship line is the Viper models. Parts will interchange with the Clifford, but you have to push a lot of DEI stuff before you can become an Viper Authorized Dealer.

Any installer that puts the brain in an easy to reach area under the dash with the wires showing is flat out retarded. I make it extremelly hard for a thieve to steal a car that I install an alarm. Knock on wood, no theive has ever tampered with cars that have my alarm and install.

Those theives might not have tried very hard to steal your car....all they needed was a flathead screw driver, yank or cut the siren leads, touch the (+) siren lead to ground and fry the alarm, and unplug the starter-kill relay, or push start it......2 minutes tops.

I used to install alarms that customers would bring to me, but I'm calling it quits on installing customer's own alarms.
Somebody already made money selling them the alarm....and I can't give them warranty on a product I didn't sell them.

Since Clifford was bought by DEI in 2003 they have been the top of the line alarm sold under DEI's name. The clifford G6 avantgaurd is by farrrrrrrrrrrrrr the best alarm money can by.

Fying an alarm rain will not activate the 2 external NO relays for the ignition and fuel pump that I wire up on all my cars. They relays are closed by the (-300ma) out put when disarmed.

If you do ever install another alarm plese do not install the starter kill as a starter kill. Instead wire it as an ignition kill. and hook your ingition taps on the key side of the relay.

All 2 way paging alarms are crap. Any theif worth a s#!t will see the ant. in the window and if the disable that via Kliens the jig is up.
If you install the ant. so were other that plain sight it's range will be cut wayyyyy down if it any range at all.

I have never seen an alarm as bad as what you are discribing. I could be way off base but I have installed many many dinio's auctions and I have never had anything like that.

[DROOPY209]

Since Clifford was bought by DEI in 2003 they have been the top of the line alarm sold under DEI's name. The clifford G6 avantgaurd is by farrrrrrrrrrrrrr the best alarm money can by.

Fying an alarm rain will not activate the 2 external NO relays for the ignition and fuel pump that I wire up on all my cars. They relays are closed by the (-300ma) out put when disarmed.

If you do ever install another alarm plese do not install the starter kill as a starter kill. Instead wire it as an ignition kill. and hook your ingition taps on the key side of the relay.

All 2 way paging alarms are crap. Any theif worth a s#!t will see the ant. in the window and if the disable that via Kliens the jig is up.
If you install the ant. so were other that plain sight it's range will be cut wayyyyy down if it any range at all.

I have never seen an alarm as bad as what you are discribing. I could be way off base but I have installed many many dinio's auctions and I have never had anything like that.

According to DEI, Viper is their top of the line flagship line. Anything made by DEI is not all that great. You should check out some other brands and you will be more then impressed. I sell and install Compustar security systems. It's a top of the line, high-end security system. It's the security system of choice for the big ballers at CES and SEMA and they use it on their show cars. It has way more features then any other company and the range is unbelieveable.

Before I started my business, I was researching many brands out there to see what brands of security systems I wanted to carry and install. I tried every brand, you name it, I installed it. Everything from Scytek to DEI to EasyCar. I went to CES 2 years ago and met with some Compustart reps. I tried out there alarms, really liked them, and decided that I wanted to carry their line of security systems. I was very close to carrying the DEI line, but decided not to after trying out the Compustar.

Are you sure that you want to do ignition kill? That's a really old school way of doing alarms, and very dangerous. Relays do eventually go bad. What happens if someone is driving and all of a sudden the relay drops under load and kills the engine?
I wouldn't want to be responsible for that mess.

I remember when I started installing alarms at the shop I worked at back in '98. I used to think that Prestige was the shyt. Now that I look back, Prestige is garbage. Over the years, you learn which brands and models are good units or not all that great.

[EclipseParadise]

alright!!! guys if you wanna get into a huge alarm system arguement, please make a thread for it, please dont use mine to do it.

[98spydert]

Fire away guys, just keep it civil :)

[EclipseParadise]

thanks.

[1G_TaLon]

Its not a arguement its just a discusion. I think DEI is best Droopy likes compustar.
PS DEI won the "best of innovations international 2008" @ CES this year compustar wonlast year but I think that shows that they are both equal and will be going back and forth for many years.

[OldDirtyNoSeven]

A car alarm is a waste of money, sleep light and get a mattress holster,

And don't leave your car downtown for a week...

[The_Installer]

A car alarm is a waste of money, sleep light and get a mattress holster,

And don't leave your car downtown for a week...

A car alarm is one of the best investments for a car, and will save you around 15% on insurance, depending on the company that insures you. Installed correctly, the thieve wont be able to take your car, unless they use a tow truck.

You can have 10 matress holsters, but you can still get your car stolen.

I don't own any guns and I live by a little saying that goes,

"Live by the gun, die by the gun"