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    Default Most likely getting rid of the gst...again

    I think im just going to trade this gst in, i found a dealer that will give me 5900 for it, even though I owe 9k I just want a 3kgt. I keep loosing to the same srt-4 (stock) srt-4. Boost leak/bad turbo whatever it is I just want to be rid of it now. I will know for sure In a couple of weeks incase anyone wants some parts off of it.

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    Well, what kinda mods you have? An srt-4 really isn't that bad a car to lose to... a 2.5L turbo that can run 13's factory... and with any mods...

    Although, a 3KGT VR4 is definately a reasonable choice for a trade up...

    Whatever you have, I would suggest getting a bigger turbo and fuel mods... slower spool, less wheelspin, and topend power for days.... then you can up your trap speeds drastically... just a thought though...
    Mods:

    Walboro 255
    *PTE 680cc injectors
    K&N filter
    *3" intake
    HUGE FMIC (24x12x4 w/3" in/out)
    *3" GM MAF with translator
    AEM Wideband
    complete 3" short route IC piping
    14b turbo
    *Greddy BOV
    Centerforce DF clutch
    Stainless brake and clutch lines
    Slotted Rotors
    eibach springs, 2" drop, camber kit
    fluidyne radiator, slim fans
    2 1/2" downpipe, 2 1/2" high flow cat, 3" cat-back exhaust

    * - Currently not installed. Gotta smog.

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    Go with whatever makes you happy and forget what everyone else says. But just know, if you hate working on a DSM...wait til you have to mod AND maintain the 6G72TT. Sure, out the box, you may be a 'little' quicker then the srt-4. But you will still lose from a roll, and he will eventually get back up to speed with you if you choose a 5speed instead of the 6. Just something to think about before you get the high insurance 4000lb car. They do look beautiful though.

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    My mods again are:

    Mods: Big 16g ported and clipped turbo, 3'' RRE down pipe, 3'' cat, 3'' apex N1 exaust, denso 720 injectors, walbro 255lph w/10 gauge wiring and fuel cutoff, apexi safc, b&m fuel pressuse regulator and gauge, magnecore 8.5 wires, denso plugs, hks super sequential bov, 2 1/4 ic piping, greddy peak/hold/warning turbo/egt gauges, apexi turbo timer, powerslot rotors, vis coilovers, tokico ilumina 5 way adjustable shocks, front and rear strut bars, k&n filter, RRE manual boost controller, k&n short shifter w/shiftplate lockdown, 4 point racing harnesses, clutchmasters 2500lbs clutch, injen intake pipe to the turbo.

    Its not really that i'm tired of the 4g63 motor, because I know they have ALOT of potential for not much money, but i'm sick of the fwd i launch lower and lower rpms everytime and have to wait too long before I can go WOT to prevent wheel spin. I would just preffer an awd maybe if I can find a decent milleage tsi or gsx I would consider sticking with this car. But I personally like the look of the 3kgt, even though everyone else likes the look of the eclipse better. And in adition to that the car needs work, like: valve cover gasket leaking oil, oil pan leaking, boost leak, blown exhaust gasket, timing belt will need to be replaced, needs tires again, I dont know its all pretty minor, but not knowing how to do alot of the work myself is frustrating. Being my only car I'm afraid of working on it and having something go wrong or needing another part that I will have to wait for. The tech that usually works on it is pretty reasonable on price but all I hear from him is "next week, next week" and other mechanics seem to charge alot for work that dosentr seem that hard. I remember going to one mechanic because I was changing my brakes and couldnt get the screws on the caliper off because I needed a breaker bar, so i asked if he could untighten them and re-tighten them so i can go home and take them off easier, he told me it would be $80 a wheel! :x

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    You have a pretty good mod list there. I wouldn't expect a stock srt4 to be able to keep up with you. Are you still on the stock intercooler? How much boost are you running? Are you using anything besides egts to tune?

    The things you're complaining about won't be any better with a 3kgt, with the exception of traction with a vr4 and the personal preference of styling. Maintenance won't be any easier or cheaper. Whichever direction you go in, I say jump in and start doing things yourself. If you biff something, fix it. I'm sure there are people in the area that would lend a helping hand.

    FYI, I was in a similar situation to yours about a year ago. I ended up with a 99 GSX. I couldn't be happier.

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    charge alot for work that doesn?t seem that hard
    people are scared of our cars so they charge a lot. get used to it. or start working on it yourself. thats the only way you will ever have a DSM that runs how you want it to. not by paying some shmoo to tinker around and temp fix some problems with a band aid. but hell if you don't even know if your turbo is blown or if it is a boost leak... ditch the car then. not worth hanging onto something you dislike. did you ever get rid of that underglow kit you installed? could be causing you to loose to that srt-4... just a thought.

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    That's a nice mods list... I would try to find an eprom and dsmlink for tuning if you decide to keep this car, and get a FP3052 ball bearing... it'll take a little longer to spool being so big, but with the ballbearings it won't be so bad, I've heard they spool up well by 3800-4500 depending on the build... Also read that the cyclone intake works really well to help spool large turbos, so that would be something to look into... Definately check for boost leaks, as that's probably why the srt4 is beating you now.

    The leaky gaskets could happen on any car, and the valve cover won't be that hard to replace... I haven't dropped an oil pan on a 4g63 yet, but on my Daytona it was a 4 piece jobber that took me 8 hours of cussing and swearing before I decided that the instructions telling me not to use silicone to hold the gasket on the pan were wrong... Hasn't leaked in a month and a half though... Exhaust gasket, again not *too* hard to do...

    If you're afraid you're going to break it, you should look for a little $200 beater honda or geo that will get you to and from where you need to go *if* you break it... and then get a shop manual and dig in... a LOT of the stuff mechanics do isn't as hard as they lead on... a lot of the other stuff is a PITA... but it's not hard on the mind, you learn a little basic mechanics, and break open a lot of knuckles...

    These would be my suggestions, *if* you decided to keep that car, *or* if you get a new one... Car's break... I did the brakes (new pads and rotors) on my truck for $150 in parts... Midas wanted $35 for pads and $350 for labor... so, learning to do at least the simple schitt will save you a LOT so you can pay to do the hard schitt if you want... but I've noticed once people start learning on a car, they usually want to do more and more

    I think, you should get what makes you happy... I understand about the FWD launch (my 'tonas fwd) and a GSX or a VR4 is a great way to get a better launch... but then you gotta build a more powerful car to keep up on the top end... keep that in mind too... I personally would LOVE a 3KGT, but I wouldn't get rid of any of my other cars for it... well, maybe the tercel... but that's a different situation, I have more cars than I know what to do with... and at least 2 or 3 of them are running well enough for me to use... hey, I know! Look for a deal on a GSX, and keep your GST, that way you can take turns fixing them :twisted:
    But seriously though, do what makes you happy, cause we're not going to have to live with your car, only you are.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert GST
    My mods again are:

    Mods: Big 16g ported and clipped turbo, 3'' RRE down pipe, 3'' cat, 3'' apex N1 exaust, denso 720 injectors, walbro 255lph w/10 gauge wiring and fuel cutoff, apexi safc, b&m fuel pressuse regulator and gauge, magnecore 8.5 wires, denso plugs, hks super sequential bov, 2 1/4 ic piping, greddy peak/hold/warning turbo/egt gauges, apexi turbo timer, powerslot rotors, vis coilovers, tokico ilumina 5 way adjustable shocks, front and rear strut bars, k&n filter, RRE manual boost controller, k&n short shifter w/shiftplate lockdown, 4 point racing harnesses, clutchmasters 2500lbs clutch, injen intake pipe to the turbo.

    Its not really that i'm tired of the 4g63 motor, because I know they have ALOT of potential for not much money, but i'm sick of the fwd i launch lower and lower rpms everytime and have to wait too long before I can go WOT to prevent wheel spin. I would just preffer an awd maybe if I can find a decent milleage tsi or gsx I would consider sticking with this car. But I personally like the look of the 3kgt, even though everyone else likes the look of the eclipse better. And in adition to that the car needs work, like: valve cover gasket leaking oil, oil pan leaking, boost leak, blown exhaust gasket, timing belt will need to be replaced, needs tires again, I dont know its all pretty minor, but not knowing how to do alot of the work myself is frustrating. Being my only car I'm afraid of working on it and having something go wrong or needing another part that I will have to wait for. The tech that usually works on it is pretty reasonable on price but all I hear from him is "next week, next week" and other mechanics seem to charge alot for work that dosentr seem that hard. I remember going to one mechanic because I was changing my brakes and couldnt get the screws on the caliper off because I needed a breaker bar, so i asked if he could untighten them and re-tighten them so i can go home and take them off easier, he told me it would be $80 a wheel! :x
    Mods:

    Walboro 255
    *PTE 680cc injectors
    K&N filter
    *3" intake
    HUGE FMIC (24x12x4 w/3" in/out)
    *3" GM MAF with translator
    AEM Wideband
    complete 3" short route IC piping
    14b turbo
    *Greddy BOV
    Centerforce DF clutch
    Stainless brake and clutch lines
    Slotted Rotors
    eibach springs, 2" drop, camber kit
    fluidyne radiator, slim fans
    2 1/2" downpipe, 2 1/2" high flow cat, 3" cat-back exhaust

    * - Currently not installed. Gotta smog.

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    I have the next few days off, so im going to make one of those boost leak testers for like $5, i think i saw it on vfaq.com so im going to try messing around with it and see what happens. But I have had a few people tell me it might be my wastegate staying open, how would I fix that? And before the leak it was about 18psi, now its 13. And YES!!! my lights are off. And its on stock side mount ic.

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    All hardware stores here didnt have the items needed for the leak tester, and I have called pretty much every autoparts store I can think of and have found nothing. Any sugestions? :?

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    Home depot will have it. People will 'say' they dont have it because looking up such small trival things would 'waste their time'. Home depot will have it. I've made 2 from 2 different locations so. 2" pvc pipe cap, 2"-2" rubber hose, and a valve stem. Easy.

    On a side note, 2 things are killing your performance. The sidemount, and your tuning. That stock sidemount is good enough to cool a T25 under 12 psi...thats it. You're almost tripling the airflow on 18psi on a b16g, its not going to cut it. So if your driving for more then 10mins, you car is probably knocking due to imporoper cooling. You would see this on a tune. If you're not seing knock, then your adding so much fuel to hide it, that your running to 'fat' to perform in 18psi's effeciency. A well tuned b16g fwd should eat most cars on a roll. They trap anywhere from 110-118 on 91 without a blink.

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