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    I took This Information from ECMlink.com/Wiki

    http://www.ecmtuning.com/wiki/baseinjectordata?s=e85

    Injector Data Compilation
    These values were gathered from various sources. These may not match exactly with the values you've seen elsewhere, but they should be fairly close. The problem is that each injector can behave a little differently from another of the same size and manufacturer. So there's some variation that simply can't be accounted for in all cases. Start with the values listed below and fine tune from there.

    All of these values assume stock base fuel pressure (37psi for 1Gs and 43.5 for 2Gs). Deadtime is listed as an adjustment to be entered into the ECMLink application, which is then applied on top of the calculated stock adjustment. For more details on how to adjust for varying fuel pressure or how to use the fuel adjustment tab in ECMLink, see the Fuel Settings page.

    Brand/Vendor Size Global Deadtime Notes
    (cc) (%) (?sec)
    Denso (stock) 450 0 0
    Denso 660 -31 180
    Denso 720 -38 405
    Fuel Injector Clinic (FIC) 650 -31 210
    Fuel Injector Clinic (FIC) 750 -40 330
    Fuel Injector Clinic (FIC) 850 -47 330
    Fuel Injector Clinic (FIC) 950 -53 330
    Fuel Injector Clinic (FIC) 1000 -55 330
    Fuel Injector Clinic (FIC) 1150 -61 330
    FIC/Bosch/Ford 1600 -72 450
    Hahn Racecraft 625 -18 180 Actual flow: 530cc
    Nippon Denso (ND) 660 -31 180
    Nippon Denso (Evo VIII) 560 -18 0 Has lower deadtime than OEM 1g/2g injectors!
    PTE / Delphi 580 -17 180 Modified GM Rochester 17113741 injector. Actual flow: 535cc
    PTE / Delphi 680 -29 300 Modified GM Rochester 17113814 injector. Actual flow: 640cc
    PTE / Delphi 780 -38 315 Modified GM Rochester 17113742 injector. Actual flow: 748cc
    PTE / Delphi 880 -45 420 Modified GM Rochester 17113743 injector. Actual flow: 840cc
    PTE / Delphi 1000 -51 450 Modified GM Rochester 17113744 injector. Actual flow: 940cc
    RC 550 -18 180

    E85 Note
    These values are for GASOLINE ONLY - they do NOT apply to cars running E85! E85 has a stoichiometric A/F of 9.8526:1 while gasoline is 14.7:1. So E85 should require around 49% more fuel than gasoline (14.7 / 9.8526 = 1.49). So for 850s (as in my car) with pure E85, I would run:

    450 / ( 850 / 1.49 ) - 1 = 450 / 570 - 1 = -0.21 or -21%Using that formula works perfectly on my car. For even more E85 data, see the E85 notes page.


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    E85 Air Flow Support Chart:

    This chart outlines the approximate max airflow which can be supported for a given duty cycle and injector flow rate on E85. 43.5psi base fuel pressure is assumed.

    Injector Size 100% IDC(lbs/min) 80% IDC (lbs/min) Global (E85)

    390cc 21.80 lbs/min 17.44 lbs/min Not a good idea
    450cc 25.15 lbs/min 20.12 lbs/min Not a good idea
    550cc 30.74 lbs/min 24.59 lbs/min Not a good idea
    580cc 32.42 lbs/min 25.94 lbs/min Not a good idea
    650cc 36.33 lbs/min 29.07 lbs/min Not a good idea
    660cc 36.89 lbs/min 29.51 lbs/min Not a good idea
    680cc 38.01 lbs/min 30.41 lbs/min Not a good idea
    720cc 40.24 lbs/min 32.20 lbs/min -18.75%
    750cc 41.92 lbs/min 33.54 lbs/min -22.00%
    780cc 43.60 lbs/min 34.88 lbs/min -25.00%
    850cc 47.51 lbs/min 38.01 lbs/min -31.18%
    880cc 49.19 lbs/min 39.35 lbs/min -33.52%
    950cc 53.10 lbs/min 42.48 lbs/min -38.42%
    1000cc 55.89 lbs/min 44.72 lbs/min -41.50%
    1150cc 64.28 lbs/min 51.42 lbs/min -49.13%
    1200cc 67.07 lbs/min 53.66 lbs/min -51.25%
    1600cc 89.43 lbs/min 71.55 lbs/min -63.44%
    1850cc 103.41 lbs/min 82.72 lbs/min -68.38%
    Methanol Injected, HX35 Powered, 95 GSX

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    This calculation worked better for me to get the AFR up a tad to were the E85 likes to be. It helped cold start and warnup drivability. Both Dave and Tom have signed off on this calculation they said that it is perfectly fine just a litle different.

    Thanks JeffGST.com

    DSMlink Global Settings

    1600cc = -57% Global
    1250cc = -45% Global
    1150cc = -40% Global
    1050cc = -34% Global
    1000cc = -31% Global
    950cc = -27% Global
    850cc = -19% Global

    Not recommended to go any smaller. BUT if you really wanted to run them on a low airflow level then you would use...

    750cc = -8% Global
    720cc = -4% Global
    650cc = 0% Global
    550cc = Are You Serious?

    (450/(Injector Flow * .65))-1.0 = E85 Global

    So for 1000cc's

    450/(1000*.65)-1 = -31%

    The equation above assumes that you are using the stock base fuel pressure for your DSM.
    1G = 37.5 PSI
    2G = 43.5 PSI

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    PS. If running EAsytune, None of these deadtimes mean diddly squot

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